Picture this: All of America — all 300 million+ adults — interviewing our Presidential and political candidates directly, as one person, like a boss does in a job interview.
Why would we keep politicians who are easily corrupted when we have a swarm intelligence to decide what is best for everyone of us? We are better off with a different political system, more Liquid Democracy rather than the current Representative Democracy which is no longer fit for purpose after failing the people for many generations.
Often I feel that we are using technology in the wrong way. Even the definition of AI is rooted in the idea of creating human intelligence from machines. What about using technology to empower people? That is the way... love this idea.
That may be a good idea interviewing politicians, but they will still lie and tell you what you want to hear. No politician is going to tell you the down and dirty truth because that would mean pain and suffering for the voter if things were to get fixed and revised.
Things like social Security, Medicare and the rampaging deficit will never be addressed because no politician is going to tell you the truth about these over-bearing programs and that there is no way to stop the debt from climbing.
This is essentially how our own brain works. Thousands of past memories are polled and the results tallied and streamlined until an answer is determined. Why not poll all the memories of all the people? The mountain of knowledge that answer would be based on is nearly unimaginable!
"Just picture the plethora of questions we all would want to ask candidates like RFK Jr, Biden, Trump, and beyond. Even if you like those candidates, we should all want them to have to answer tough questions. Imagine if those questions came with the weight of: “These are literally the top ten questions that We The People demand answers to.”
Agreed, and how about a 3 questionnaire on the ballots about each candidate's background and agenda we vote for, must get 2 out of 3 correct or the vote doesn't count. Let's see how the balance shifts regardless of how many dead, ignorant and bribed Americans check a box.
As tech advances, it will be freedom for all, or freedom for none. This and Bitcoin are taking us in the right direction. There is hope after all. Thank you.
I don’t disagree but it is the natural way of things to grow and “progress”. We have to dismantle the current system and strive to prevent such centralization of gov’t ever again.
We have creativity and problem solving abilities. All problems that do not defy the laws of physics are solvable. The natural way of things is deciding what to do with knowledge. Knowledge and problem solving are the greatest forces on earth.
It is those in power that keep trying to convince us that bigger, richer, faster etc is better and "natural". In nature things do not happen that way at all. If we are talking about natural, it is more natural to maintain the status quo. Take just what you need to function (food, space etc) and continue on from there. I like the idea of swarm intelligence. It is not a complete solution, but it is a start toward a complete solution.
Nice try but making what is inherently a messy process into something clean and neat would take people out of the process. Politics is inherently messy and to be free it needs to remain messy.
I like messy at first because all things will eventually come to a head on its own. A favorite go-to analogy of mine is to let cities grow unimpeded. Look how New York and San Francisco grew to be so desirable before government intervention. And remains so despite it being from the lasting vestiges of that laissez faire attitude at the birth of our nation.
So no zoning, rent control or rent stabilization. I guess either you believe in the free market or not. But the caveat is that definitely no government intervention or influence peddling by the rich to go one way or the other. Wait, that presupposes community-based governance. Shameless plug - please take a look at chapter one on marniekhaw.substack.com
The difference is the creative nature of the answers. And how they are chosen. When you actually see it, the swarm will do what is wise and correct if the system is trustworthy. They only turn into Moloch if they lose trust in the process or systems. So the people need direct control of their own systems. And there isn't just one system, we can make thousands of different ones if we want.
Here is another. Price signals are always the cheapest and faster way to convey information.
So by how much you pay your taxes or utilities or any other public payments or fees, that is the amount of upvotes you get. Then you get to choose who or what they get to spend the money on. You can choose to allocate a certain amount to funding wars, building a bridge, which utility or private security or police force, to give your upvotes to.
Upvotes, while not exactly democratic, is one way to ensure that those who are vested, will be heard regularly, directly and precisely to where it matters.
I have been playing around with this idea for more than a decade. Might be time to write on it.
As for one vote for each citizen, I am conflicted. Ask yourself if you would like the uninformed to willy-nilly vote on politicians and policies they do not understand. If the answer is no, perhaps we have to do a better job in teaching both morality and civic education. If yes, let us clean up the voter roll of dead people, illegals, and double counting. Oh, and ballot stuffing too.
We can also make it unlawful to send money made in America on a work Visa or otherwise back to non-citizen husband's or wife's in foreign countries AND tax the f**ck out of them so much they will think twice about gaming our systems.
Undoubtedly they did in one form or another. It's part of the fabric of common knowledge written into the Constitution and DoI. So we are only assuming that knowledge is there now without verifying it. I believe our newfound freedoms are within the crypto ecosystem . Cryptocurrency ecosystem has had this all figured out and you don't even have to believe me or any one person, groups, committee or bureaucracy either, comrade.
Oh!?!, My apologies. It seems we we're talking of two separate solutions for the same question. So I interpreted the question wrong because Debating was to accomplish your subsequent comment.
Besides the swarm idea that I compare to the preexisting cryptocurrency ecosystem.
How's that? Something you don't need to solve but utilize to accomplish your goals.
Orion: responding to your first comment: that just sounds like one more anti immigrant perspective to me. Or maybe just anti anyone who is not an American citizen. I don't see that as any kind of humane solution at all.
gee. I wonder why America should ever be a target what with its freedom loving, transparent, peaceful, law abiding governance. Or did you mean that people want to go to America because it is so great and not because they are escaping a situation that was quite possibly aided and abetted or even caused by American intervention. You know, taking the American way of life and democracy to those unenlightened people.
Back to my 1st comment, my apologies: I personally know folks who are in the United States of America from foreign countries, here to get education AND work here. They send over half of the Cash they made BACK to their wives and husbands or siblings where the dollar is woth 100× than their currency is. What do you think this does to our economic system? Imagine a bucket you're filling and there's a frickin hole in it that just keeps draining, it never does what it's supposed to.
well, that seems like an inhumane choice to improve the American economic system. In any case, many of those workers do work that Americans don't want and they help to enrich their employers, so the economic system is not being harmed by them. Altho, I have to say, I am not really supportive of the American economic system on many other levels.
Welp, you get the picture. American's had no idea of what their government was doing. Aside from what you're saying. Government in America was to serve the people. Not the other way around. With the massive amounts of foreign Nationals, used to being RULED, they essentially drowned out the voices of the American born and respectively processed American citizens.
Do you pay attention to what they're saying Or what actually is happening?
I don't understand why you would object to foreign workers, usually from poor countries, sending money home to their families. I think it is not possible for anyone to be sure of what is actually happening because those with power are not concerned with being truthful to anyone, especially not to the people who are voting for them.
Then multiply that by however many millions. It's obvious. It's sickening. They've bankrupted us, gotten us involved with all the unnecessary conflicts in the name of foreigne AID, our so called government. Massive dariliction of duty. Ask anyone that is in finance: Doug Casey or Bill Bonner. I'll even gift you a months subscription if you like.
Gotta tell you loved your horse race swarm explanation.
Love the idea of tranparency (all the way down the line) and decentralization.
And using technology to harness the swarm...instead of ai.
Why would we keep politicians who are easily corrupted when we have a swarm intelligence to decide what is best for everyone of us? We are better off with a different political system, more Liquid Democracy rather than the current Representative Democracy which is no longer fit for purpose after failing the people for many generations.
Often I feel that we are using technology in the wrong way. Even the definition of AI is rooted in the idea of creating human intelligence from machines. What about using technology to empower people? That is the way... love this idea.
Hell yeah. What they fear most is humanity forming a swarm.
That may be a good idea interviewing politicians, but they will still lie and tell you what you want to hear. No politician is going to tell you the down and dirty truth because that would mean pain and suffering for the voter if things were to get fixed and revised.
Things like social Security, Medicare and the rampaging deficit will never be addressed because no politician is going to tell you the truth about these over-bearing programs and that there is no way to stop the debt from climbing.
You cannot fix anything with corrupted systems. We need to fix the systems first. And they need to be trustworthy.
If they lie they will need to do it on our platform, not theirs. And our platform keeps receipts
Yes, but if you have a swarm, some of the people will not be decieved.
Go look at VA Shiva on youtube talking about the Swarm...the people and connections that
work against us.
We have to do something, the old world is gone. And it needs replacing I like this idea much
better than AI which is now taking over the world, its already taken over markets etc via BlackRock.
What better way than to use this against them ?
Duchess gets it.
This is essentially how our own brain works. Thousands of past memories are polled and the results tallied and streamlined until an answer is determined. Why not poll all the memories of all the people? The mountain of knowledge that answer would be based on is nearly unimaginable!
Exactly. Except polls don’t work as well for swarms as dynamic systems do. They do work decently sometimes if they are trustworthy.
"Just picture the plethora of questions we all would want to ask candidates like RFK Jr, Biden, Trump, and beyond. Even if you like those candidates, we should all want them to have to answer tough questions. Imagine if those questions came with the weight of: “These are literally the top ten questions that We The People demand answers to.”
Agreed, and how about a 3 questionnaire on the ballots about each candidate's background and agenda we vote for, must get 2 out of 3 correct or the vote doesn't count. Let's see how the balance shifts regardless of how many dead, ignorant and bribed Americans check a box.
As tech advances, it will be freedom for all, or freedom for none. This and Bitcoin are taking us in the right direction. There is hope after all. Thank you.
Until we reduce the size of government and it’s role in our lives nothing will change!
This is not the correct way to solve problems, Patti.
We cannot reduce the size of a corrupt system that is cannibalizing itself.
We need to make our own new trustworthy systems first.
I don’t disagree but it is the natural way of things to grow and “progress”. We have to dismantle the current system and strive to prevent such centralization of gov’t ever again.
We have creativity and problem solving abilities. All problems that do not defy the laws of physics are solvable. The natural way of things is deciding what to do with knowledge. Knowledge and problem solving are the greatest forces on earth.
It is those in power that keep trying to convince us that bigger, richer, faster etc is better and "natural". In nature things do not happen that way at all. If we are talking about natural, it is more natural to maintain the status quo. Take just what you need to function (food, space etc) and continue on from there. I like the idea of swarm intelligence. It is not a complete solution, but it is a start toward a complete solution.
Nice try but making what is inherently a messy process into something clean and neat would take people out of the process. Politics is inherently messy and to be free it needs to remain messy.
Says who?
I like messy at first because all things will eventually come to a head on its own. A favorite go-to analogy of mine is to let cities grow unimpeded. Look how New York and San Francisco grew to be so desirable before government intervention. And remains so despite it being from the lasting vestiges of that laissez faire attitude at the birth of our nation.
So no zoning, rent control or rent stabilization. I guess either you believe in the free market or not. But the caveat is that definitely no government intervention or influence peddling by the rich to go one way or the other. Wait, that presupposes community-based governance. Shameless plug - please take a look at chapter one on marniekhaw.substack.com
Well taking the ridiculous amounts of money out of it would help….and decentralizing as well. Can’t see it working any other way.
Doesn't this make choosing anything a direct democracy? The most magnets wins. We'd still have government by bullies.
The difference is the creative nature of the answers. And how they are chosen. When you actually see it, the swarm will do what is wise and correct if the system is trustworthy. They only turn into Moloch if they lose trust in the process or systems. So the people need direct control of their own systems. And there isn't just one system, we can make thousands of different ones if we want.
What an amazing idea!
Here is another. Price signals are always the cheapest and faster way to convey information.
So by how much you pay your taxes or utilities or any other public payments or fees, that is the amount of upvotes you get. Then you get to choose who or what they get to spend the money on. You can choose to allocate a certain amount to funding wars, building a bridge, which utility or private security or police force, to give your upvotes to.
Upvotes, while not exactly democratic, is one way to ensure that those who are vested, will be heard regularly, directly and precisely to where it matters.
I have been playing around with this idea for more than a decade. Might be time to write on it.
As for one vote for each citizen, I am conflicted. Ask yourself if you would like the uninformed to willy-nilly vote on politicians and policies they do not understand. If the answer is no, perhaps we have to do a better job in teaching both morality and civic education. If yes, let us clean up the voter roll of dead people, illegals, and double counting. Oh, and ballot stuffing too.
We can also make it unlawful to send money made in America on a work Visa or otherwise back to non-citizen husband's or wife's in foreign countries AND tax the f**ck out of them so much they will think twice about gaming our systems.
Want to bet many of our ancestors did that?
Undoubtedly they did in one form or another. It's part of the fabric of common knowledge written into the Constitution and DoI. So we are only assuming that knowledge is there now without verifying it. I believe our newfound freedoms are within the crypto ecosystem . Cryptocurrency ecosystem has had this all figured out and you don't even have to believe me or any one person, groups, committee or bureaucracy either, comrade.
You speak in odd riddles that we don’t have time to problem solve for.
Oh!?!, My apologies. It seems we we're talking of two separate solutions for the same question. So I interpreted the question wrong because Debating was to accomplish your subsequent comment.
Besides the swarm idea that I compare to the preexisting cryptocurrency ecosystem.
How's that? Something you don't need to solve but utilize to accomplish your goals.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
ORION
Orion: responding to your first comment: that just sounds like one more anti immigrant perspective to me. Or maybe just anti anyone who is not an American citizen. I don't see that as any kind of humane solution at all.
Susan, America Is the target, it's unfortunate for the rest. Maybe you need to do some more research. Ask @Third Paradigm Talk to Tereza.
gee. I wonder why America should ever be a target what with its freedom loving, transparent, peaceful, law abiding governance. Or did you mean that people want to go to America because it is so great and not because they are escaping a situation that was quite possibly aided and abetted or even caused by American intervention. You know, taking the American way of life and democracy to those unenlightened people.
Back to my 1st comment, my apologies: I personally know folks who are in the United States of America from foreign countries, here to get education AND work here. They send over half of the Cash they made BACK to their wives and husbands or siblings where the dollar is woth 100× than their currency is. What do you think this does to our economic system? Imagine a bucket you're filling and there's a frickin hole in it that just keeps draining, it never does what it's supposed to.
well, that seems like an inhumane choice to improve the American economic system. In any case, many of those workers do work that Americans don't want and they help to enrich their employers, so the economic system is not being harmed by them. Altho, I have to say, I am not really supportive of the American economic system on many other levels.
Welp, you get the picture. American's had no idea of what their government was doing. Aside from what you're saying. Government in America was to serve the people. Not the other way around. With the massive amounts of foreign Nationals, used to being RULED, they essentially drowned out the voices of the American born and respectively processed American citizens.
Do you pay attention to what they're saying Or what actually is happening?
Humane solution? Is Gaza a humane solution?
I don't understand why you would object to foreign workers, usually from poor countries, sending money home to their families. I think it is not possible for anyone to be sure of what is actually happening because those with power are not concerned with being truthful to anyone, especially not to the people who are voting for them.
Then multiply that by however many millions. It's obvious. It's sickening. They've bankrupted us, gotten us involved with all the unnecessary conflicts in the name of foreigne AID, our so called government. Massive dariliction of duty. Ask anyone that is in finance: Doug Casey or Bill Bonner. I'll even gift you a months subscription if you like.
and you don't think Americans are being ruled? ha ha
I'm thinking you're not an American.