That is a really well written article. We are trying but here in "Northern VA" it is like swimming upstream. I am going to write some letters today to elected representatives who sound exactly like Linda Steele. The machine just keeps rolling regardless of what has been stated and voted for. I am feeling very discouraged today. Thanks for the article.. :)
This is a powerful and important vision, and I really appreciate the clarity of your call to root out corruption and return agency to the people. That said, I’d like to offer a gentle critique from the lens of coordination systems. While flipping the power dynamic so that politicians are held accountable by the people sounds like justice, it still relies on a framework of control and coercion. The "shock collar" metaphor, the use of public scoring, and the emphasis on constant surveillance risk recreating the very dynamics of Power Over that we are trying to escape, just in reverse.
Instead of building a system that punishes representatives into alignment, what if we built one that invited them into shared responsibility? We could design participatory systems that center transparency through collaboration, not threat. Rather than scoring and sanctioning individuals, we could create shared dashboards and deliberative spaces that allow people and politicians to learn, act, and adapt together. Trustworthy systems don’t just expose; they cultivate a culture of mutual clarity, curiosity, and accountability. If we really want a new kind of politics, maybe the answer isn’t to flip who controls whom, but to dissolve control altogether in favor of true coordination.
Maybe both? There has to be consequences to bad actions that go against whatever code we set. Our world has lost consequences. No political side is ever really punished because they all work for the same masters of blurred Wall Street control. Maybe it can punish and reward. Good people - think military vets and community leaders - will not fear using a system like this.
We have proposed in the past giving huge bonuses to politicians who actually accomplish things for the people too. So yeah, carrot and stick is better than just the stick. But with how corrupt our system is right now we need to have a line as people - if you work to corrupt our systems and we catch you there will be consequences.
I supposed we can try many ways. We are starting here in buffalo with one method. Someone else in Cleveland. Someone else in Chicago. Decentralized leadership party, one that operates without labels
my concern is that when Power Dynamics lean toward Domination (like the people having Power Over politicians) then we risk recreating the logics that led to corruption.
and think of how that looks in reality. The politicians will very quickly learn that they need to appear to be behaving in acceptable ways, but this doesn't mean they actually have changed. Similarly, some of the people that have the power, might collude among themselves to abuse this power to achieve things that benefit them but not the broader society (there are so many examples of this type of result when dealing with power differentials)
The problem you mention is the disconnect between consequences and decisions taken by politicians. But this doesn't have to mean we recreate punitive systems. Right now, the consequences of actions are placed on the shoulders of the people. So the only thing that needs to shift, is that the consequences of decisions should fall equally on the shoulders of those making the decisions. Rather than isolating the individual and punishing them, We instead include them in the burdens we all have to share.
Begin @ Geneva Switzerland swiss bankers, united nations headquarter agents, cern agents, red cross agents, WHO agents and WEF agents. By the way, Swiss has a white cross and cross? Coincidence? One thinks not. You have to start at the top not the order follower peasants.
The most basic problem is money. Our overpaid representatives in the House and Senate stop representing us when they don't feel our pain. They forget what it is like. They no longer identify with the unwealthy.
It would be a form of it. Or could be. It would absolutely give the people a direct voice.
BUT most direct democracies use voting to direct them and this is not the best way for groups to operate and solve problems.
1) using collective intelligence systems the individuals must be protected by a code or constitution. We cannot lose sight of that
2) voting means 51% get their way where 49% do not. This is not that. When using collective intelligence systems you can have a conversation with the crowd as if it was one giant magical and creative being. You can ask it to criticize its own ideas. And when you include it on decision making you want to get confidence scores - not votes.
For example when you present our current immigration policies of the left and right to America you get like 51% confidence scores - which is bad (50% is the worst score possible because it is divided). But if you ask the people how to solve the immigration using a collective intelligence system they come up with rational and reasonable answers that well over 95% agree with in confidence.
Collective intelligence is not something that has ever been used before to directly govern. But it could be a form of direct control. However, it can be dangerous too so we need to be careful. It is dangerous because it is powerful. But our world is so corrupted right now it needs something powerful.
We cannot cut out the people that have control over the systems that are harming us. If we ignore them they will continue to poison our food, air and water. They have turned the world into a gas chamber of disease and death. We need new systems
We can’t force anyone to use it, but we can identify the bad guys by those who won’t. Plenty of them will. We can do it at local levels right now pretty easily, oh naysayers. Admire your consistency, Crix. Nihilistic fella
You mean CORRUPT politician... There are plenty of capable, moral people who would be willing to serve (we even have one in congress already -- Thomas Massie); we just need to get the $$ out of politics (no buying public office) and start fresh.
That is a really well written article. We are trying but here in "Northern VA" it is like swimming upstream. I am going to write some letters today to elected representatives who sound exactly like Linda Steele. The machine just keeps rolling regardless of what has been stated and voted for. I am feeling very discouraged today. Thanks for the article.. :)
Thank you for your effort; little is accomplished by sitting on our butts and complaining.
This is a powerful and important vision, and I really appreciate the clarity of your call to root out corruption and return agency to the people. That said, I’d like to offer a gentle critique from the lens of coordination systems. While flipping the power dynamic so that politicians are held accountable by the people sounds like justice, it still relies on a framework of control and coercion. The "shock collar" metaphor, the use of public scoring, and the emphasis on constant surveillance risk recreating the very dynamics of Power Over that we are trying to escape, just in reverse.
Instead of building a system that punishes representatives into alignment, what if we built one that invited them into shared responsibility? We could design participatory systems that center transparency through collaboration, not threat. Rather than scoring and sanctioning individuals, we could create shared dashboards and deliberative spaces that allow people and politicians to learn, act, and adapt together. Trustworthy systems don’t just expose; they cultivate a culture of mutual clarity, curiosity, and accountability. If we really want a new kind of politics, maybe the answer isn’t to flip who controls whom, but to dissolve control altogether in favor of true coordination.
Maybe both? There has to be consequences to bad actions that go against whatever code we set. Our world has lost consequences. No political side is ever really punished because they all work for the same masters of blurred Wall Street control. Maybe it can punish and reward. Good people - think military vets and community leaders - will not fear using a system like this.
We have proposed in the past giving huge bonuses to politicians who actually accomplish things for the people too. So yeah, carrot and stick is better than just the stick. But with how corrupt our system is right now we need to have a line as people - if you work to corrupt our systems and we catch you there will be consequences.
I supposed we can try many ways. We are starting here in buffalo with one method. Someone else in Cleveland. Someone else in Chicago. Decentralized leadership party, one that operates without labels
my concern is that when Power Dynamics lean toward Domination (like the people having Power Over politicians) then we risk recreating the logics that led to corruption.
and think of how that looks in reality. The politicians will very quickly learn that they need to appear to be behaving in acceptable ways, but this doesn't mean they actually have changed. Similarly, some of the people that have the power, might collude among themselves to abuse this power to achieve things that benefit them but not the broader society (there are so many examples of this type of result when dealing with power differentials)
The problem you mention is the disconnect between consequences and decisions taken by politicians. But this doesn't have to mean we recreate punitive systems. Right now, the consequences of actions are placed on the shoulders of the people. So the only thing that needs to shift, is that the consequences of decisions should fall equally on the shoulders of those making the decisions. Rather than isolating the individual and punishing them, We instead include them in the burdens we all have to share.
Begin @ Geneva Switzerland swiss bankers, united nations headquarter agents, cern agents, red cross agents, WHO agents and WEF agents. By the way, Swiss has a white cross and cross? Coincidence? One thinks not. You have to start at the top not the order follower peasants.
We have to start local first unfortunately. Unless you got a hundred more bitcoin so we can build the tech needed to do this properly
I like how we think!
The most basic problem is money. Our overpaid representatives in the House and Senate stop representing us when they don't feel our pain. They forget what it is like. They no longer identify with the unwealthy.
And they have no skin in the game
That sounds like direct democracy!
However why don’t we just cut out the middle man (government) and get on with living like the sovereign men, women and children that we are?
It would be a form of it. Or could be. It would absolutely give the people a direct voice.
BUT most direct democracies use voting to direct them and this is not the best way for groups to operate and solve problems.
1) using collective intelligence systems the individuals must be protected by a code or constitution. We cannot lose sight of that
2) voting means 51% get their way where 49% do not. This is not that. When using collective intelligence systems you can have a conversation with the crowd as if it was one giant magical and creative being. You can ask it to criticize its own ideas. And when you include it on decision making you want to get confidence scores - not votes.
For example when you present our current immigration policies of the left and right to America you get like 51% confidence scores - which is bad (50% is the worst score possible because it is divided). But if you ask the people how to solve the immigration using a collective intelligence system they come up with rational and reasonable answers that well over 95% agree with in confidence.
Collective intelligence is not something that has ever been used before to directly govern. But it could be a form of direct control. However, it can be dangerous too so we need to be careful. It is dangerous because it is powerful. But our world is so corrupted right now it needs something powerful.
Did you watch this Elaine?
https://youtu.be/YyXEzWtii_A?si=1T_eq8DtLWYxXTYb
I am not a proponent of direct democracy, sorry if I gave that impression.
I am not a proponent of any sort of government.
As I hinted in the last part of my comment, we don’t need government. I believe a voluntaryist system is more in line with individual sovereignty.
Thanks for the link to the video. Very interesting…
We cannot cut out the people that have control over the systems that are harming us. If we ignore them they will continue to poison our food, air and water. They have turned the world into a gas chamber of disease and death. We need new systems
Yes please 🙏
Won't work as the only way a politician wants to keep his pretend job in the DC Swamp is when he is free to steal and grift from the taxpayer.
We can’t force anyone to use it, but we can identify the bad guys by those who won’t. Plenty of them will. We can do it at local levels right now pretty easily, oh naysayers. Admire your consistency, Crix. Nihilistic fella
You mean CORRUPT politician... There are plenty of capable, moral people who would be willing to serve (we even have one in congress already -- Thomas Massie); we just need to get the $$ out of politics (no buying public office) and start fresh.
You get it. We know many people waiting for the opportunity to serve in something like this.
Forgot one of the most important! NATO militarized organ ization.