The thing is, no one can really criticize their solution since they decided it and it effected them. Would this solution be the same in a bigger swarm? Maybe not. But it is entirely possible maybe so. Or maybe an even more interesting one could arise.
PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol No. 16 – Brainwashing
❝The system of bridling thought is already at work in the so-called system of teaching by OBJECT LESSONS, the purpose of which is to turn the GOYIM into unthinking submissive brutes waiting for things to be presented before their eyes in order to form an idea of them.❞
PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol No. 16 – Brainwashing
❝We must introduce into their education all those principles which have so brilliantly broken up their order. But when we are in power we shall remove every kind of disturbing subject from the course of education and shall make out of the youth obedient children of authority, loving him who rules as the support and hope of peace and quiet.❞
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Excellent article! There were some aspects of the story that still confuse me (do trans males fight in the born female league considering they may be on testosterone?) but the important part of it is they were the ones affected and they used swarming to come up with a solution that worked for all of them.
My question for you is: considering the PR problem that hive minds, groups and mobs have, what approach can win humanity over to collective intelligence that associates it with something beneficial?
Great question Setz. We would be interested in hearing what your thoughts are as well.
For us it is simple: Results.
Results matter most.
We know there are dangers of groupthink and tyranny of the masses and even tyranny of the minority. But all powerful tools are dangerous. From nuclear power to vehicles . We need to be safe and aware and self analyzing. We need to know what dangers lead to them (and we have a very good idea already if you read “Wisdom of Crowds” by James Surowiecki it does a great job laying them out).
This is why we need an academy to study swarming. Because we don’t know all the details yet, but we do know this:
1) swarming is a powerful tool
2) it has some problems to overcome
3). All problems have solutions
4) solving problems is better in groups, particularly ones that can maximize their ability to swarm
#SwarmAcademy
On a quest for excellence and enlightenment through the wisdom of the crowd.
The Frankfurt School adapted Marx’s theories on revolution to include Freud’s theory of the subconscious. The Cultural Marxists’ main focus was to reshape the subconscious of Western men and women and thus create new type of person: one who would react passively to provocations of all kinds.
Cultural Marxists encourage abortion, birth control, divorce, homosexuality, “carrier women,” drugs, miscegenation, the destruction of the traditional family, and unrestricted immigration of racial foreigners into white countries. This is a reflection of what the Cultural Marxists preach: white reproduction is evil, and that which prevents white reproduction is good.
Marxism exists. So do gay people and people who are transgender. When we let the people themselves solve the problems we don’t have to pick a side, or hurt people unnecessarily. The Marxists lose their power if they are not the “solution” and the solution came from the people most effected so we circumnavigated the centralized and corrupt systems. Now we need to do this with more and bigger systems
Sorry, but this example solution wasn't due to the use of swarm theory. It was more due to the removal of political and power interests when determining a solution, as well as participation by those with vested interests (i.e., Muslims and transgendered participants). And, just because a resolution came to be, we don't know what percentage of those involved with determining an agreement/solution actually agreed with the final result.
The real "win" in the provided example was likely the absence of any political, power, or irrational/emotional aspects involved in the process, along with a reduction or elimination of any other corruptive influences...
Point taken about top-down power. That was my intent, i.e., regardless of the flavor. you can say that top-down power that is also "undemocratic" is even a better description.
You never "showed your work" at all when describing the situation. You basically did a bunch of hand-waiving...
I probably should have said that application of "swarm theory" wasn't necessary or required in order for a solution to the issue. If you gather the relevant, concerned parties and come to an agreement, things work out just as well. It's about communicating and agreeing on terms.
For a larger situation, "swarm theory" may be more viable.
Of course, a comments section is no real place for decent discourse. Most of us agree that we need parallel "structures" in society if we are to actually express the will of the people and not those in power, or who control those in power, etc.
Your final comment is a bit ad hominem, underhanded, or passive-aggressive, if not pseudo-intellectual... Cheers.
Showing our work was the conflict resolution that the tournament went off fine and no one had an issue. That was the point.
Maybe you are right about point #3. Our counter to your point was pseudo intellectual, but so was the original point.
You seem to at least understand the concepts of swarming well, and since we know that diversity of opinion is needed for productive swarming, we hope you will someday join us in the process and see for yourself at SwarmAcademy.ai
That’s an interesting word, because in a way a new brain is formed when multiple brains come together. Maybe not as esoteric as egregore implies, and instead rather scientific. But I guess we shall see. What are the results?
If the deep state is using a swarm like he suggests, you cannot defeat a decentralized group by shattering it. You need to create a better decentralized group, a better swarm.
Testosterone is not the only contributor to men’s greater physical strength and size, when compared to women. Castrati opera singers were lauded as having unique singing voices, as they had deeper, more well developed lungs than women, with pubertal testosterone. They were also taller even than many men who had undergone puberty normally.
It’s rather difficult to understand how this is a good outcome, despite the positive potential displayed for human swarms to accomplish change.
The outcome was that the tournament went off fine, everyone was happy, and conflict was resolved for the people effected most. And yes, the potential for human swarms is what attracted us the most. That said, what isn't a good outcome about it?
Wow. well because of the issues now w/ hacking every time I go on any website even Substack I have two step authentication. There is so much to say about that subject... I don't know where to begin. I wish I could post more because I like your idea about "transparency" and problem solving: my issue of the use of the word "Swarm" is because as a biologist.. a swarm by definition is a group think regardless of how the Newspeak translation of "collective decentralized behavior".. which self contradictory at least to someone w/ my background and age group. TO YOUR POINT which is well taken: Muslims (if you mean non practicing Muslims) which put transgender and women in the same group is totally absurd in a Ju Jitsu or any other kind of one on one "competition" since I am not sure what is meant by transgender. Also, since when does Islam recognize "transgender"? Let's pretend the Muslims do recognize transgender males who identify as women (this is a total thought problem) therefore Men would still go hand to hand w/ women from what I gather). The Female "participants" would only participate against other Females. (I didn't know Muslim females could participate in anything w/out the presence of their their husbands or a male family member). Ok, I am being very sarcastic. Anyway I would comment more.. but I see this entire "presentation" as an THOUGHT EXERCISE because not only do not agree that SWARM theory is a decentralized collective behavior in humans is possible. Well I have to go.. it is a really busy day today.. I will come to this post. very very thought provoking w/ regard to A.I. and very interesting tool to present Swarm theory. Let's put it this way like a friend of mine signs off: Hive-resigned. (no kidding).. have a great day.. take care.. hopefully can get back to this thread.. take care. Isabell
Lot to unpack here. If you are doubting swarm theory because of groupthink, there is no doubt that groupthink can be a problem, specifically in echo chambers as Tim Urban points out. But the larger the group, the more diverse the group, the less likely for that to happen. According to the evidence.
Problems exist. Problems are solvable.
Swarm theory is a powerful tool we need to master.
Fascinating example! Really impressed with the solution they found.
The thing is, no one can really criticize their solution since they decided it and it effected them. Would this solution be the same in a bigger swarm? Maybe not. But it is entirely possible maybe so. Or maybe an even more interesting one could arise.
PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol No. 16 – Brainwashing
❝The system of bridling thought is already at work in the so-called system of teaching by OBJECT LESSONS, the purpose of which is to turn the GOYIM into unthinking submissive brutes waiting for things to be presented before their eyes in order to form an idea of them.❞
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/protocol-no-16-brainwashing
Huh?
PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol No. 16 – Brainwashing
❝We must introduce into their education all those principles which have so brilliantly broken up their order. But when we are in power we shall remove every kind of disturbing subject from the course of education and shall make out of the youth obedient children of authority, loving him who rules as the support and hope of peace and quiet.❞
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/protocol-no-16-brainwashing
Excellent article! There were some aspects of the story that still confuse me (do trans males fight in the born female league considering they may be on testosterone?) but the important part of it is they were the ones affected and they used swarming to come up with a solution that worked for all of them.
My question for you is: considering the PR problem that hive minds, groups and mobs have, what approach can win humanity over to collective intelligence that associates it with something beneficial?
Great question Setz. We would be interested in hearing what your thoughts are as well.
For us it is simple: Results.
Results matter most.
We know there are dangers of groupthink and tyranny of the masses and even tyranny of the minority. But all powerful tools are dangerous. From nuclear power to vehicles . We need to be safe and aware and self analyzing. We need to know what dangers lead to them (and we have a very good idea already if you read “Wisdom of Crowds” by James Surowiecki it does a great job laying them out).
This is why we need an academy to study swarming. Because we don’t know all the details yet, but we do know this:
1) swarming is a powerful tool
2) it has some problems to overcome
3). All problems have solutions
4) solving problems is better in groups, particularly ones that can maximize their ability to swarm
#SwarmAcademy
On a quest for excellence and enlightenment through the wisdom of the crowd.
The Frankfurt School adapted Marx’s theories on revolution to include Freud’s theory of the subconscious. The Cultural Marxists’ main focus was to reshape the subconscious of Western men and women and thus create new type of person: one who would react passively to provocations of all kinds.
Cultural Marxists encourage abortion, birth control, divorce, homosexuality, “carrier women,” drugs, miscegenation, the destruction of the traditional family, and unrestricted immigration of racial foreigners into white countries. This is a reflection of what the Cultural Marxists preach: white reproduction is evil, and that which prevents white reproduction is good.
https://nordicresistancemovement.org/what-is-cultural-marxism/
As for the trans problem we didn’t have to face that specific question. It wouldn’t be a question for us, it would be a question for their Swarm.
Marxism exists. So do gay people and people who are transgender. When we let the people themselves solve the problems we don’t have to pick a side, or hurt people unnecessarily. The Marxists lose their power if they are not the “solution” and the solution came from the people most effected so we circumnavigated the centralized and corrupt systems. Now we need to do this with more and bigger systems
Fuck you and your gay Jewish god.
Sorry, but this example solution wasn't due to the use of swarm theory. It was more due to the removal of political and power interests when determining a solution, as well as participation by those with vested interests (i.e., Muslims and transgendered participants). And, just because a resolution came to be, we don't know what percentage of those involved with determining an agreement/solution actually agreed with the final result.
The real "win" in the provided example was likely the absence of any political, power, or irrational/emotional aspects involved in the process, along with a reduction or elimination of any other corruptive influences...
1) vested interests are who should be building the systems around them
2) it’s not political power, it’s any top down power. Swarms are bottom up power, decentralized
3) try to recreate it without a swarm and see how it goes. Nullius in verba. Saying it “wasn’t due to swarm theory” is irrelevant. Show your work
Point taken about top-down power. That was my intent, i.e., regardless of the flavor. you can say that top-down power that is also "undemocratic" is even a better description.
You never "showed your work" at all when describing the situation. You basically did a bunch of hand-waiving...
I probably should have said that application of "swarm theory" wasn't necessary or required in order for a solution to the issue. If you gather the relevant, concerned parties and come to an agreement, things work out just as well. It's about communicating and agreeing on terms.
For a larger situation, "swarm theory" may be more viable.
Of course, a comments section is no real place for decent discourse. Most of us agree that we need parallel "structures" in society if we are to actually express the will of the people and not those in power, or who control those in power, etc.
Your final comment is a bit ad hominem, underhanded, or passive-aggressive, if not pseudo-intellectual... Cheers.
Showing our work was the conflict resolution that the tournament went off fine and no one had an issue. That was the point.
Maybe you are right about point #3. Our counter to your point was pseudo intellectual, but so was the original point.
You seem to at least understand the concepts of swarming well, and since we know that diversity of opinion is needed for productive swarming, we hope you will someday join us in the process and see for yourself at SwarmAcademy.ai
Cheers!
"Swarm"? What became of the word "egregore"?
That’s an interesting word, because in a way a new brain is formed when multiple brains come together. Maybe not as esoteric as egregore implies, and instead rather scientific. But I guess we shall see. What are the results?
Dr.SHIVA™ INTERVIEW: Why Joe Rogan Fears A Real Scientist – Shatter the Swarm . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWt7mQ2-lIo
If the deep state is using a swarm like he suggests, you cannot defeat a decentralized group by shattering it. You need to create a better decentralized group, a better swarm.
Jew Rogaine is a clown.
Bravo to the swarm.
Testosterone is not the only contributor to men’s greater physical strength and size, when compared to women. Castrati opera singers were lauded as having unique singing voices, as they had deeper, more well developed lungs than women, with pubertal testosterone. They were also taller even than many men who had undergone puberty normally.
It’s rather difficult to understand how this is a good outcome, despite the positive potential displayed for human swarms to accomplish change.
The outcome was that the tournament went off fine, everyone was happy, and conflict was resolved for the people effected most. And yes, the potential for human swarms is what attracted us the most. That said, what isn't a good outcome about it?
Wow. well because of the issues now w/ hacking every time I go on any website even Substack I have two step authentication. There is so much to say about that subject... I don't know where to begin. I wish I could post more because I like your idea about "transparency" and problem solving: my issue of the use of the word "Swarm" is because as a biologist.. a swarm by definition is a group think regardless of how the Newspeak translation of "collective decentralized behavior".. which self contradictory at least to someone w/ my background and age group. TO YOUR POINT which is well taken: Muslims (if you mean non practicing Muslims) which put transgender and women in the same group is totally absurd in a Ju Jitsu or any other kind of one on one "competition" since I am not sure what is meant by transgender. Also, since when does Islam recognize "transgender"? Let's pretend the Muslims do recognize transgender males who identify as women (this is a total thought problem) therefore Men would still go hand to hand w/ women from what I gather). The Female "participants" would only participate against other Females. (I didn't know Muslim females could participate in anything w/out the presence of their their husbands or a male family member). Ok, I am being very sarcastic. Anyway I would comment more.. but I see this entire "presentation" as an THOUGHT EXERCISE because not only do not agree that SWARM theory is a decentralized collective behavior in humans is possible. Well I have to go.. it is a really busy day today.. I will come to this post. very very thought provoking w/ regard to A.I. and very interesting tool to present Swarm theory. Let's put it this way like a friend of mine signs off: Hive-resigned. (no kidding).. have a great day.. take care.. hopefully can get back to this thread.. take care. Isabell
Lot to unpack here. If you are doubting swarm theory because of groupthink, there is no doubt that groupthink can be a problem, specifically in echo chambers as Tim Urban points out. But the larger the group, the more diverse the group, the less likely for that to happen. According to the evidence.
Problems exist. Problems are solvable.
Swarm theory is a powerful tool we need to master.