If we solve the 'Tyranny of The Masses' Problem, we can harness the most powerful force available to us. But can it be done safely? .... Yes. In fact, it already has.
Jan 16, 2023Liked by The Society of Problem Solvers
All starts with handshakes and doing good deeds for your next door neighbors. Howeever this is why it's important to live around like-minded individuals, as similar frequencies are multiplied, rather than nullified, by those around us. Love the ideas here.
Unfortunately, the "bad guys" own the media and are thus able to sway popular opinion through their widespread use of propaganda. I will guarantee a vote on lockdowns, mask mandates, vaccine requirements, etc., would have passed early on in the pandemic due to the fear porn and propaganda that was out there. Maybe now, 3 years into this debacle people would finally vote on the rational side of things.
Jan 15, 2023Liked by The Society of Problem Solvers
Many comments I see from different articles and authors often are filled with violent anger. Unless we can find a method of reform that focuses on as little violence as possible we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes. Again aggressive folk with self-righteous desire to control will push their agendas believing they have the answers for everyone.
Jan 17, 2023Liked by The Society of Problem Solvers
It's a bold, outside the box plan. It has potential. But finding candidates who are willing to turn down lucrative contributions goes against human nature. It seems to me it's the highest hurdle to overcome.
Jan 17, 2023Liked by The Society of Problem Solvers
Thoughts as I read.
This is great and I love it.
Get in touch with James G D'Angelo he may have ideas for where to push first. I think a citizen initiative in every ballot in every state where possible that is simple enough to put in the title may be the only way to get change fast enough to matter. It would be bipartisan as they want to prevent the others or look like scum for not doing it. My initiative would be simple Votes in all tiers of government are AGGREGATED BY PARTY before recording or publishing, no possibility of recording individual votes, it short-circuits the ability to sell your vote or suffer from party retribution.
Option 4 is what I have tried to preach to people because the other options bring pain and suffering.
Ex-Military should not be a automatic reputation point, to many it is a disqualifyer, I suggest you consider the value in promoting it.
I love the idea of built in resilience. I like to promote the search for systems that gravitate to the desired outcome without needing permanent HARD work, the default should be where we want to go.
I also would like systems to be considered with a longer time scale. China has 50 year plans, they are the worlds biggest megacorporation the size of a big nation state, their export companies have a large parent company because that is how they designed it. Any good system should be at least as strong as the Chinese system ad able to compete with it on equal terms.
Verification has to be personal as well. You need two neighbours to vouch for you. There must be multiple levels of verification, perhaps 3, some that are NOT DIGITAL and subject to trivial hacking. Assuming you can vouch for only 10 people your ability cannot be monetised and if a bad apple is found and removed then their sponsor and complete down-line can require reverification. It will make people choose their sponsors appointees with care. These referrals can be recorded in the block chain ledger. The system MUST be fault tolerant and work across any platform. I will not participate if I HAVE to use a closed system phone for example. I am prepared to spend extra time managing passwords on a desktop computer to navigate a secure web app or use an open source client I trust.
I so appreciate your focus on solving the continued slide toward tyranny here in the US. It's refreshing, as so many others dwell endlessly on the monumental problems.
My own concern with The Rationalist's approach has to do with cultivating the most important element of your solutions: trustworthy individuals. As you've pointed out, technology is only a tool, and in the wrong hands, it can destroy just as easily as it can elevate.
How do we inspire honesty and morality, when the opposite is rewarded? I tend to lean toward the "spiritualization" (probably not a real word, but you get the idea) of society. God knows (ha!) we've been pounded relentlessly with materialism over the past 100 years, and where has that led?
You refer to the "Bill of Rights" problem, but just referencing it doesn't solve it. The fact is, the Bill of Rights simply doesn't work. After 250 years, blackrobed hairsplitters are still "discovering" that Americans have always had "explicit" rights that somehow the government has been allowed to oppress for all or most of that time by "interpreting" those rights badly. (NYSRPA v. Bruen is probably the best example.) If the Bill of Rights actually worked, those rights would never have "gone lost" for so long.
What is the actual MECHANISM that prevents your direct-democrats from voting on issues they don't understand or don't even care about, and which are couched cryptically or even openly as attacks on any of those rights? Who decides even whether they are or aren't attacks on those rights?
Hey, voters, wouldn't it be great to criminalize "hate speech?" Enact "common sense" gun laws? Impose a "fairness tax" on inheritances? Where is the firebreak in your new system? Ironically, our current representatives have not acted on this issue, not necessarily because "they're not listening to you," but maybe because they understand that what you're asking violates principles of which you are wholly unaware.
Hm, a conundrum... the disconnect between the representative and the voter may be as necessary to prevent ignorant legislation as it is likely to promote non-representation.
I did some reading on the 'tyranny of the majority'.
Here's what I found:
What they addressed with the term and the 'solution', in the Constitution, was that the Southern States had enough population, but much of it were slaves, who -of course- didn't vote.
So, the election outcomes favored the non-slave States, who held the majority.
And since the majority wanted people to be free, not slaves, the slave owners -including some of the Founding Fathers (George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison)- would lose their 'property'.
Of course, having to give up their wealth because the people didn't want slavery, felt to them like 'tyranny'.
The political Parties in the US, are private entities, not beholden to their voters.
Practically, when the people make a decision with which the members of the private corporations that are the Parties don't like, the individuals appointed by those corporations as the Electoral College, nullify the will of the people.
In the 2016 DNC primary, the Electoral College of the DNC rejected the popular-vote presidential candidate Sanders and replaced him with Clinton.
When, Clinton earned the popular vote on the presidential election, the Electoral College elected Trump instead.
DNC Lawyer Admits They Weren’t Required to be Impartial Between Clinton, Sanders
So, when you say that we don't need to change anything in the system, we only need to clean it from corruption, do you agree that the Electoral College has to stay in place and be able to nullify anything the people decide on?
"We can have iGov Democrats and iGov Republicans and iGov Libertarians and iGov Green Party peeps. It doesn’t matter. It would be an overarching platform."
What is the necessity of political Parties and candidates in a system called 'igov'?
If "i" (WE) govern, why do we need others to govern us?
Why not people making the decisions and interview managers to apply them?
It’s good you’re trying to think of solutions. But the way things work now, only the party leaders have real power in Congress to bring bills and make changes. We saw that with the Kevin McCarthy votes to become speaker.
I think it’s worth listening to what Justin Amash says would help clean up Congress since he’s seen the corruption first hand. And Matt Stoller shared some ideas.
I fear that it will be very difficult to take the reigns of power from the deal makers and turn Congress into iGov vote followers. And iGov alone can’t inform on what laws people want/need enacted or the substance of them, unless frequent polling and votes were happening, but it’s unlikely a large number of people would become actively involved.
But in Roman Republic times, there was the Consul who could hold government accountable and perhaps if iGov could force a Consul type role (with higher authority than the Attorney General and other agencies) to initiate investigative committees to take action on corruption. And perhaps if iGov also had an outside vote after those committee findings led to a vote on what to do about it.
R, there is no such thing as a perfect governmental system because man is in himself corrupted and as the scriptures say, sinful. I have my doubts that any system created by man is beyond corruption. So I would dissuade the thought that it is superior and free from tampering with. Second, how do you keep TPTB from digging into the foundations of this system before the system before it is "closed off"? TPTB are not going to give up voluntarily the status quo gravy train they have grown rich in for doing very little. They control a lot of the guns and weapons of war and could train those weapons upon those constructing the system. The third, if this is built, this could be construed by God as the ultimate tower of Babel which He condemned because this would be the ultimate human tool of rebellion. God bless.
The threat of the WHO sovereignty-grab by the 2023 IHR and 2024 International PLANdemc Treaty: we’ve got until November 2023 for Congress to repeal IHR modifications!
Going to need a huge place built where people can go in start at one end, learn the history, the outcomes, all the problems and come out the other end of the place knowing how to fix things. Be damned about politics, who the Fuch cares. If we don’t have the fundamental knowledge of how to clean water, grow food, feed healthier livestock properly.....how do we survive? I suppose this is what they to do all along. Make it impossible to live.
Sure it could work, but who bombed the rail lines? Who is poisoning our land and waters so we can’t grow food? Do we have any protection? Do we know how to build filters for the water they are contaminating? What is bil gaits doing to all that farmland he bought up? Ruining the soil no doubt. Do we have the ability to protect the ground we need to live on?
All starts with handshakes and doing good deeds for your next door neighbors. Howeever this is why it's important to live around like-minded individuals, as similar frequencies are multiplied, rather than nullified, by those around us. Love the ideas here.
Unfortunately, the "bad guys" own the media and are thus able to sway popular opinion through their widespread use of propaganda. I will guarantee a vote on lockdowns, mask mandates, vaccine requirements, etc., would have passed early on in the pandemic due to the fear porn and propaganda that was out there. Maybe now, 3 years into this debacle people would finally vote on the rational side of things.
Many comments I see from different articles and authors often are filled with violent anger. Unless we can find a method of reform that focuses on as little violence as possible we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes. Again aggressive folk with self-righteous desire to control will push their agendas believing they have the answers for everyone.
It's a bold, outside the box plan. It has potential. But finding candidates who are willing to turn down lucrative contributions goes against human nature. It seems to me it's the highest hurdle to overcome.
Thoughts as I read.
This is great and I love it.
Get in touch with James G D'Angelo he may have ideas for where to push first. I think a citizen initiative in every ballot in every state where possible that is simple enough to put in the title may be the only way to get change fast enough to matter. It would be bipartisan as they want to prevent the others or look like scum for not doing it. My initiative would be simple Votes in all tiers of government are AGGREGATED BY PARTY before recording or publishing, no possibility of recording individual votes, it short-circuits the ability to sell your vote or suffer from party retribution.
Option 4 is what I have tried to preach to people because the other options bring pain and suffering.
Ex-Military should not be a automatic reputation point, to many it is a disqualifyer, I suggest you consider the value in promoting it.
I love the idea of built in resilience. I like to promote the search for systems that gravitate to the desired outcome without needing permanent HARD work, the default should be where we want to go.
I also would like systems to be considered with a longer time scale. China has 50 year plans, they are the worlds biggest megacorporation the size of a big nation state, their export companies have a large parent company because that is how they designed it. Any good system should be at least as strong as the Chinese system ad able to compete with it on equal terms.
Verification has to be personal as well. You need two neighbours to vouch for you. There must be multiple levels of verification, perhaps 3, some that are NOT DIGITAL and subject to trivial hacking. Assuming you can vouch for only 10 people your ability cannot be monetised and if a bad apple is found and removed then their sponsor and complete down-line can require reverification. It will make people choose their sponsors appointees with care. These referrals can be recorded in the block chain ledger. The system MUST be fault tolerant and work across any platform. I will not participate if I HAVE to use a closed system phone for example. I am prepared to spend extra time managing passwords on a desktop computer to navigate a secure web app or use an open source client I trust.
I have a few ideas collected on my substack.
https://cholecalciferol.substack.com/s/open-source-government
The Constitution is the best safeguard against tyranny of the majority (ochlocracy). We need to take it far more seriously!
"Too big to fail" should be restated as "too big to be allowed to continue".
I so appreciate your focus on solving the continued slide toward tyranny here in the US. It's refreshing, as so many others dwell endlessly on the monumental problems.
My own concern with The Rationalist's approach has to do with cultivating the most important element of your solutions: trustworthy individuals. As you've pointed out, technology is only a tool, and in the wrong hands, it can destroy just as easily as it can elevate.
How do we inspire honesty and morality, when the opposite is rewarded? I tend to lean toward the "spiritualization" (probably not a real word, but you get the idea) of society. God knows (ha!) we've been pounded relentlessly with materialism over the past 100 years, and where has that led?
Smells like Hopium to me.
You refer to the "Bill of Rights" problem, but just referencing it doesn't solve it. The fact is, the Bill of Rights simply doesn't work. After 250 years, blackrobed hairsplitters are still "discovering" that Americans have always had "explicit" rights that somehow the government has been allowed to oppress for all or most of that time by "interpreting" those rights badly. (NYSRPA v. Bruen is probably the best example.) If the Bill of Rights actually worked, those rights would never have "gone lost" for so long.
What is the actual MECHANISM that prevents your direct-democrats from voting on issues they don't understand or don't even care about, and which are couched cryptically or even openly as attacks on any of those rights? Who decides even whether they are or aren't attacks on those rights?
Hey, voters, wouldn't it be great to criminalize "hate speech?" Enact "common sense" gun laws? Impose a "fairness tax" on inheritances? Where is the firebreak in your new system? Ironically, our current representatives have not acted on this issue, not necessarily because "they're not listening to you," but maybe because they understand that what you're asking violates principles of which you are wholly unaware.
Hm, a conundrum... the disconnect between the representative and the voter may be as necessary to prevent ignorant legislation as it is likely to promote non-representation.
I did some reading on the 'tyranny of the majority'.
Here's what I found:
What they addressed with the term and the 'solution', in the Constitution, was that the Southern States had enough population, but much of it were slaves, who -of course- didn't vote.
So, the election outcomes favored the non-slave States, who held the majority.
And since the majority wanted people to be free, not slaves, the slave owners -including some of the Founding Fathers (George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison)- would lose their 'property'.
Of course, having to give up their wealth because the people didn't want slavery, felt to them like 'tyranny'.
The solution was the Electoral College.
The Electoral College is NOT elected by vote.
It is assigned by the two Parties.
https://www.procon.org/headlines/electoral-college-pros-cons-procon-org/
The political Parties in the US, are private entities, not beholden to their voters.
Practically, when the people make a decision with which the members of the private corporations that are the Parties don't like, the individuals appointed by those corporations as the Electoral College, nullify the will of the people.
In the 2016 DNC primary, the Electoral College of the DNC rejected the popular-vote presidential candidate Sanders and replaced him with Clinton.
When, Clinton earned the popular vote on the presidential election, the Electoral College elected Trump instead.
DNC Lawyer Admits They Weren’t Required to be Impartial Between Clinton, Sanders
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/dnc-lawyer-reportedly-said-they-could-have-chosen-between-clinton-sanders-over-cigars-in-back-rooms/.
So, when you say that we don't need to change anything in the system, we only need to clean it from corruption, do you agree that the Electoral College has to stay in place and be able to nullify anything the people decide on?
"We can have iGov Democrats and iGov Republicans and iGov Libertarians and iGov Green Party peeps. It doesn’t matter. It would be an overarching platform."
What is the necessity of political Parties and candidates in a system called 'igov'?
If "i" (WE) govern, why do we need others to govern us?
Why not people making the decisions and interview managers to apply them?
It’s good you’re trying to think of solutions. But the way things work now, only the party leaders have real power in Congress to bring bills and make changes. We saw that with the Kevin McCarthy votes to become speaker.
This was a worthy listen/read:
https://open.substack.com/pub/systemupdate/p/who-holds-power-in-washington
I think it’s worth listening to what Justin Amash says would help clean up Congress since he’s seen the corruption first hand. And Matt Stoller shared some ideas.
I fear that it will be very difficult to take the reigns of power from the deal makers and turn Congress into iGov vote followers. And iGov alone can’t inform on what laws people want/need enacted or the substance of them, unless frequent polling and votes were happening, but it’s unlikely a large number of people would become actively involved.
But in Roman Republic times, there was the Consul who could hold government accountable and perhaps if iGov could force a Consul type role (with higher authority than the Attorney General and other agencies) to initiate investigative committees to take action on corruption. And perhaps if iGov also had an outside vote after those committee findings led to a vote on what to do about it.
R, there is no such thing as a perfect governmental system because man is in himself corrupted and as the scriptures say, sinful. I have my doubts that any system created by man is beyond corruption. So I would dissuade the thought that it is superior and free from tampering with. Second, how do you keep TPTB from digging into the foundations of this system before the system before it is "closed off"? TPTB are not going to give up voluntarily the status quo gravy train they have grown rich in for doing very little. They control a lot of the guns and weapons of war and could train those weapons upon those constructing the system. The third, if this is built, this could be construed by God as the ultimate tower of Babel which He condemned because this would be the ultimate human tool of rebellion. God bless.
Right on spot, but that won't be enough:
The 2020 and 2022 rigged and stolen elections (it’s the machines!):
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-2020-american-coup
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/david-rockefeller-illuminati
J6: what THEY don't want YOU to know
The fake riot was mason-planned, incited and guided by FBI agents, who broke into the Capitol !!!
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/j6-what-you-need-to-know
Dominion over US
You can’t make this stuff up. Do they laugh in our faces? Was the name Dominion chosen to prove their dominion?
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/dominion-over-us
A Republic or a Democracy? Are we crazy to accept demo-crazy?
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/democracy-democrazy
It sucks! We need to improve democracy… how about REAL democracy?
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/reinventing-democracy
The full PLAN exposed:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed
16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet
Politics got us in, politics is the way out ... after prayers!
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison
Gates-WHO: vaccines can’t reduce population, except by murdering
Proof: they were never for reducing mortality, only for murdering!
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depop-vaccines-no-myth
The threat of the WHO sovereignty-grab by the 2023 IHR and 2024 International PLANdemc Treaty: we’ve got until November 2023 for Congress to repeal IHR modifications!
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-threat-of-the-international-plandemic
FREE “wake-up” MOVIES !
15 million watched the first one in 3 days!
Watch as if your lives depended on it: literally!
Share to save lives: not sharing is not caring!
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/wake-up-videos
Going to need a huge place built where people can go in start at one end, learn the history, the outcomes, all the problems and come out the other end of the place knowing how to fix things. Be damned about politics, who the Fuch cares. If we don’t have the fundamental knowledge of how to clean water, grow food, feed healthier livestock properly.....how do we survive? I suppose this is what they to do all along. Make it impossible to live.
Sure it could work, but who bombed the rail lines? Who is poisoning our land and waters so we can’t grow food? Do we have any protection? Do we know how to build filters for the water they are contaminating? What is bil gaits doing to all that farmland he bought up? Ruining the soil no doubt. Do we have the ability to protect the ground we need to live on?