Vivek Ramaswamy is doing a good job of this as well but he is, admittedly, not taking as much incoming flak as RFK Jr. It is omportant to remember our country founded by men of diverse opinions and backgrounds that were able to have coversatuons and civil debates.
Yes he is. And also with transparency. And also exposing himself to tougher questions on podcasts. No coincidence both are surging in polls as they continue to be vulnerable. Transparency is trust.
HE IS AWESOME.. I agree w/ his platform(s) totally. He is too young though.. for sure. (not for me) even though he is the age of my son. I look forward the handing the baton over to the next generation ... apparently some people want to just hang in there until they fall over.. nuff said
Vivek hasn’t yet responded to my survey. We are going to butt heads on international data portability, commercial biometrics and so-called “privacy” or personal data license policy. I look forward to publishing his remarks. https://sheilamdean.substack.com/p/a-2024-presidential-survey
Solving problems together for mutual benefit is one thing. Forcing preconceived solutions upon us is another. There is very little in government, big tech, the media and many other areas that I can accept, trust or engage with.
RFK can debate the democrats, liberals, RINOs and leftists all day long and get absolutely nowhere because these factions are close minded, indoctrinated and extremely afraid to think outside their limited thought environments.
These are arrogant slobs and intellectuals who refuse to believe they can ever be wrong and who think the world revolves exclusively around them. To somehow meet in the middle, you need rationality from both sides...the DC Swamp and most institutions in this country ain't it.
Negative comment but one I believe is correct: It exposes them for what they are to those who already knew. The one positive takeaway is that there are probably a few who learn from this exposure but most the rest are either not paying attention are already propagandized beyond recovery. Three monkeys come to mind.
You’re onto one of if not the most important issue of our times. People get authoritarian crap rammed down their throats if we don't address contentious issues with honest, non-inflammatory language. Maybe some experienced, successful counselors can help us refine what I think of as Rules for Productive Discourse: 1) Embrace civility as the path to reconciliation. 2) Identify common ground. 3) Seek first to understand, then to be understood. 4) Accept the reality that diversity requires compromise. 4) If compromise fails, set boundaries and be good neighbors behind good fences. It doesn’t take long to recognize who refuses to play by these rules. By default, if not on purpose, they forfeit the right to be part of the solution, and they should be called out before they trigger violence.
I have much of your writing to catch up on. Your “Platform for Human ‘Super Collaboration’" looks like a great place to start.
You can’t have it both ways. If it isn’t true then debate it. Should be easy right? See the contradiction in your own statement? How can you debate without “airtime?”
"Shut up" and mockery are not viable solutions. Senator Ron Johnson (like him or not) held hearings on evidence that was buried or dismissed by the courts for lack of standing, not for lack of evidence, as I recall. Please correct me if I'm wrong. All a rationalist asks for is a fair hearing of all the evidence. None of the Senator's evidence received that.
CB, all-capped intensifiers, exclamation points, and unhinged absolutes don’t persuade rational people, and let's not conflate motions and procedures with evidence.
Here’s an outcome that appears typical of cases alleging voter fraud. Wisconsin Supreme Court Rejects Trump Bid To Overturn Biden Victory | Wisconsin Public Radio (wpr.org): “The Wisconsin Supreme Court has rejected the Trump campaign's state lawsuit . . . ruling that if the president had problems with Wisconsin's rules for voting, he should have challenged them before the election, not after.” This court did not rule on evidence of fraud or even the legality of last-minute changes to voting laws. Core evidence doesn’t get a hearing when courts pre-emptively reject cases on procedural issues. That’s a clear and simple fact, and it happened repeatedly after the presidential election. Law-abiding Americans believe evidence requires a hearing in a court of law. If you can cite 2020 election cases where fraud was charged and fraud was disproven, please point me to transcripts so I can start changing my mind. Or you could just list those "60some cases," and I'll take a look.
This one hearing unearthed wide-ranging evidence of fraud and shows why “most secure election in history” was an insidiously qualified lie. Senate holds a hearing on examining irregularities in the 2020 election — 12/16/2020 - Bing video
I'm still shocked by RFK Jr's townhall. So agree with him on vaccines, but considering the lies he's now spewing, the extraordinary incompetence (making Biden look smart!), he is no longer a credible resource.
"Jul 31, 2023
MeidasTouch contributor and host of On Democracy, Fred Wellman, breaks out the Powerpoint to show how Fox and RFK Jr. spread conspiracy theories to a gullible audience:"
Determining what's true and what's false is a lot of work! I like Meidas because their legal analysis is based on FACTS and they often read from the screenshots of legal filings or whatever docs are discussed. But they also explain what legal terms mean for the many people who aren't lawyers, so that's really helpful.
It's obvious from your last comment that you've never seen ANY evidence of election fraud, just like the rest of us.
You've been reading false info, the NY Post article is the perfect example. If you spend a few hundred hours actually researching, you'll develop a really good BS detector. I'm accurate 99+ % with my determinations.
Look for facts, NOT for what you'd like to be true.
Exactly! To call it a conspiracy theory is to just forget all the previous calls of conspiracy theories that (remember Covid) turn out to be the truth! This is saying it has to be a lie outright and that is meant to close minds.
The burden of proof is on the purveyor of any theory, since proving a theory 100% false is always more difficult. I can't prove 100% that the SNL Coneheads skit was not based on a real family. Similarly I cannot prove 100% that Wifi causes malign health effects. However, both theories go against common sense.
This is a basic tenet of logic and serious thinking, which may not be what subscribers to this site are seeking.
There isn't one true thing in that word salad. I hope David gets all her family to take as many vaccines as possible. One less family of money changers profiting off the misery of others.
It is rarely necessary to prove something 100%. Most decisions are based on a preponderance of evidence. While common sense is a good place to start, counterintuitive phenomena are very common, so full exploration is warranted, especially when effects/problems may be significant (as with the Covid vaxx).
David Roberts, yes to debate. No to censorship and the right wing authoritarianism of the left as well as the right. This means giving airtime to what propagandists call conspiracy theories as well as to the coincidence theories of those who wish to deny them airtime.
COINCIDENCE THEORIST (noun):
(chiefly derogatory) Someone who rejects the claims of conspiracy theories, believing that any observations or occurrences are just coincidences.
A person who doggedly holds onto the belief that the collapse of our society is just a series of random, unfortunate events …
Also they were offered $2.5 million for their “airtime” on someone’s air that wasn’t even theirs. Your championing for the state to silence Americans instead of having to answer to tough scrutiny is baffling.
@david roberts it does rather look like you are promoting a conspiratorial theory without any evidence to back it up. Lets talk and see if we can get to the root of the issue. I'm prepared to offer you the same "airtime" that you offer me.
How about we start with dispensing with the incendiary lingo? A "conspiracy theory" is usually just a hypothesis. How about we start acknowledging that? For example, the "lab leak conspiracy theory" was actually just a hypothesis that has since met the burden of proof (as much as can be possible).
Yes to conspiracy theories, even when they are wrong. Precisely because it pisses of the US clandestine State when they don’t respect civilian boundaries. Precisely because globalists and neoliberal left allies are proven to want to control and decide what’s ‘true’. We did that already through COVID. Those people can’t preserve continuity of what’s “true” for 3 days much less in absolutes.
You can collapse threads by clicking on the line and tell to whom she is responding. She was the original comment to David Roberts. She gave little context since there were no other replies at the time she posted.
Yes, the longer the thread becomes, the harder it gets to identify who/what is being commented on. Perhaps I/we should begin every comment with identification or context.
You've written about meat diets, and falsely attributed the consumption of certain oils to a vegan diet. I tried to challenge those assumptions personally with you, Josh, and you didn't want to hear it. You refused to even speak with me, let alone debate.
I don't want to debate with you. I do wish you were less closed-minded though. Maybe have a conversation with people who disagree with you every once in a while.
But this entire post is performative. You don't ever invite disagreement, you dismiss it.
That's why people need to stop talking and start doing.
When it comes to food, we have COUNTLESS studies and real life examples from all over the world.
I've been banned or had my comments deleted at sites across the political spectrum -- nobody wants to see the truth when it doesn't support their views 100%.
WOW. absolutely: I am really fascinated to hear him speak. HE WAS THERE WITNESSING GOVT corruption even though young.. and his father and Uncle the cover up of JFK's death (JFK) is still one of the biggest conspiracies in the United States. I posted him in one of my first post's on Substack w/ my anti Mask article. Listening to him speak is really satisfying for me: the last of the real Democrats who used to exist in my father's time who still loved America and our Constitution. I have always been a Conservative since I was young .. BECAUSE OF JFK's assassination, my father's family long time democrats, which my own father said told me was all a pile of hot shit (his word's Army vet). Yep and he did say that he just got CENSORED at a an Anti Censorship "congressional" meeting, the irony is that the so called representative Stacy Platchett, who the hell does she think she is? from the Virgin Islands (wtfudge?) is a non voting member .. what is with that..? and SHE is OVER RIDING RFJ jr? The lack of self awareness and unmitigated gall is just unreal. BTW, I had to SIGN IN AGAIN on SUBSTACK.. I have to redo my computer again something happened when I cleaned the cache and apparently I also lost my twitter access. TAKE Care.. Isabell KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
Vivek Ramaswamy is doing a good job of this as well but he is, admittedly, not taking as much incoming flak as RFK Jr. It is omportant to remember our country founded by men of diverse opinions and backgrounds that were able to have coversatuons and civil debates.
Yes he is. And also with transparency. And also exposing himself to tougher questions on podcasts. No coincidence both are surging in polls as they continue to be vulnerable. Transparency is trust.
HE IS AWESOME.. I agree w/ his platform(s) totally. He is too young though.. for sure. (not for me) even though he is the age of my son. I look forward the handing the baton over to the next generation ... apparently some people want to just hang in there until they fall over.. nuff said
Michelangelo's Last Judgement and a Damned Soul . . . LIFE IMITATES ART . . .
Dianne Fiendstein . . . https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/michaelangelos-last-judgement-and
Vivek hasn’t yet responded to my survey. We are going to butt heads on international data portability, commercial biometrics and so-called “privacy” or personal data license policy. I look forward to publishing his remarks. https://sheilamdean.substack.com/p/a-2024-presidential-survey
In the shadow of war: Ukraine as the great reset laboratory of the global tech elite . . . https://cwspangle.substack.com/i/135302021/in-the-shadow-of-war-ukraine-as-the-great-reset-laboratory-of-the-global-tech-elite
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Im Schatten des Krieges: Ukraine als Great-Reset-Labor der globalen Tech-Eliten . . . https://cwspangle.substack.com/i/135302021/im-schatten-des-krieges-ukraine-als-great-reset-labor-der-globalen-tech-eliten
" . . . our country founded by men of diverse opinions and backgrounds that were able to have coversatuons and civil debates."
BULLSHIT.
Aaron Burr killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel in 1804 . . .
Solving problems together for mutual benefit is one thing. Forcing preconceived solutions upon us is another. There is very little in government, big tech, the media and many other areas that I can accept, trust or engage with.
RFK can debate the democrats, liberals, RINOs and leftists all day long and get absolutely nowhere because these factions are close minded, indoctrinated and extremely afraid to think outside their limited thought environments.
These are arrogant slobs and intellectuals who refuse to believe they can ever be wrong and who think the world revolves exclusively around them. To somehow meet in the middle, you need rationality from both sides...the DC Swamp and most institutions in this country ain't it.
But when you invite them to talk, it exposes them for what they are. That’s the point.
Negative comment but one I believe is correct: It exposes them for what they are to those who already knew. The one positive takeaway is that there are probably a few who learn from this exposure but most the rest are either not paying attention are already propagandized beyond recovery. Three monkeys come to mind.
I like this. I think its time to do this. I support this. It’s a good idea!
You’re onto one of if not the most important issue of our times. People get authoritarian crap rammed down their throats if we don't address contentious issues with honest, non-inflammatory language. Maybe some experienced, successful counselors can help us refine what I think of as Rules for Productive Discourse: 1) Embrace civility as the path to reconciliation. 2) Identify common ground. 3) Seek first to understand, then to be understood. 4) Accept the reality that diversity requires compromise. 4) If compromise fails, set boundaries and be good neighbors behind good fences. It doesn’t take long to recognize who refuses to play by these rules. By default, if not on purpose, they forfeit the right to be part of the solution, and they should be called out before they trigger violence.
I have much of your writing to catch up on. Your “Platform for Human ‘Super Collaboration’" looks like a great place to start.
Distraction. They love to use this technique. Discernment is critical.
Yes to debate. No to giving "airtime" and credibility to conspiracy theories lacking any evidence.
You can’t have it both ways. If it isn’t true then debate it. Should be easy right? See the contradiction in your own statement? How can you debate without “airtime?”
We should talk about it.
Why?
"The election was stolen."
"No, 60some court cases proved that the elections were not stolen."
"The elections were stolen, look at the proof. A guy took a pictures of putting his ballot into a ballot box. ABSOLUTE PROOF!"
...."
Really? MORE talk?
"Shut up" and mockery are not viable solutions. Senator Ron Johnson (like him or not) held hearings on evidence that was buried or dismissed by the courts for lack of standing, not for lack of evidence, as I recall. Please correct me if I'm wrong. All a rationalist asks for is a fair hearing of all the evidence. None of the Senator's evidence received that.
You are SO wrong! There is no evidence anywhere.
Please post the motions regarding the evidence and the judge's rulings.
THEN we can talk :)
CB, all-capped intensifiers, exclamation points, and unhinged absolutes don’t persuade rational people, and let's not conflate motions and procedures with evidence.
Here’s an outcome that appears typical of cases alleging voter fraud. Wisconsin Supreme Court Rejects Trump Bid To Overturn Biden Victory | Wisconsin Public Radio (wpr.org): “The Wisconsin Supreme Court has rejected the Trump campaign's state lawsuit . . . ruling that if the president had problems with Wisconsin's rules for voting, he should have challenged them before the election, not after.” This court did not rule on evidence of fraud or even the legality of last-minute changes to voting laws. Core evidence doesn’t get a hearing when courts pre-emptively reject cases on procedural issues. That’s a clear and simple fact, and it happened repeatedly after the presidential election. Law-abiding Americans believe evidence requires a hearing in a court of law. If you can cite 2020 election cases where fraud was charged and fraud was disproven, please point me to transcripts so I can start changing my mind. Or you could just list those "60some cases," and I'll take a look.
This one hearing unearthed wide-ranging evidence of fraud and shows why “most secure election in history” was an insidiously qualified lie. Senate holds a hearing on examining irregularities in the 2020 election — 12/16/2020 - Bing video
I'm still shocked by RFK Jr's townhall. So agree with him on vaccines, but considering the lies he's now spewing, the extraordinary incompetence (making Biden look smart!), he is no longer a credible resource.
"Jul 31, 2023
MeidasTouch contributor and host of On Democracy, Fred Wellman, breaks out the Powerpoint to show how Fox and RFK Jr. spread conspiracy theories to a gullible audience:"
https://youtu.be/mVC4jEK8ODY
Even more important, what an incredible exposure of how the masses are duped!
RFK spewed lie after lie after lie, and the audience loved it.
That's how it's done.
I highly recommend that you watch this video to understand how you've been duped:
https://youtu.be/brMBBaQ27Es
Determining what's true and what's false is a lot of work! I like Meidas because their legal analysis is based on FACTS and they often read from the screenshots of legal filings or whatever docs are discussed. But they also explain what legal terms mean for the many people who aren't lawyers, so that's really helpful.
It's obvious from your last comment that you've never seen ANY evidence of election fraud, just like the rest of us.
You've been reading false info, the NY Post article is the perfect example. If you spend a few hundred hours actually researching, you'll develop a really good BS detector. I'm accurate 99+ % with my determinations.
Look for facts, NOT for what you'd like to be true.
Also, here's a good start for your research on election fraud suits by Trump et al:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election
There are lots of citations and you can start your research from there.
"Core evidence doesn’t get a hearing when courts pre-emptively reject cases on procedural issues. "
You don't understand how the legal system works. You don't go to the SUPREME Court to introduce evidence.
Didn't you read that the Supreme Court ruled on Wisconsin rules, NOT voting fraud?
When you APPEAL, you need to state the ISSUES on appeal. Clearly, voting FRAUD was not the issue on appeal.
Where are the filings in the lower court with the fraud evidence?
Cognitive dissonance, no court allowed any evidence, none even got to be heard.
Lake in Arizona has been the only election fraud case to be heard.
But the Judge was found wanting there.
"But the Judge was found wanting there."
Which judge?
There is no evidence anywhere.
Please post the motions regarding the evidence and the judge's rulings.
THEN we can talk :)
Conspiracy theory is a word invented to stifle thought in the receiver of information. It's a "pre" attack against truth by a propagandist.
Exactly! To call it a conspiracy theory is to just forget all the previous calls of conspiracy theories that (remember Covid) turn out to be the truth! This is saying it has to be a lie outright and that is meant to close minds.
The burden of proof is on the purveyor of any theory, since proving a theory 100% false is always more difficult. I can't prove 100% that the SNL Coneheads skit was not based on a real family. Similarly I cannot prove 100% that Wifi causes malign health effects. However, both theories go against common sense.
This is a basic tenet of logic and serious thinking, which may not be what subscribers to this site are seeking.
How can the burden be met if the purveyor is silenced? This is the simpler logic problem.
There isn't one true thing in that word salad. I hope David gets all her family to take as many vaccines as possible. One less family of money changers profiting off the misery of others.
It is rarely necessary to prove something 100%. Most decisions are based on a preponderance of evidence. While common sense is a good place to start, counterintuitive phenomena are very common, so full exploration is warranted, especially when effects/problems may be significant (as with the Covid vaxx).
I wish I were as smart as you. 😁
;-)
This involves common sense which I can easily believe is lacking in a ton of people.
Yup. Sadly, the anti vaxxers are mostly supported by people with no common sense whatsoever, the type that still claims the elections were stolen.
That in itself makes the more reputable people look like morons.
Exactly. It's simply a type of name-calling employed to poison the well.
David Roberts, yes to debate. No to censorship and the right wing authoritarianism of the left as well as the right. This means giving airtime to what propagandists call conspiracy theories as well as to the coincidence theories of those who wish to deny them airtime.
COINCIDENCE THEORIST (noun):
(chiefly derogatory) Someone who rejects the claims of conspiracy theories, believing that any observations or occurrences are just coincidences.
A person who doggedly holds onto the belief that the collapse of our society is just a series of random, unfortunate events …
Lol brilliant
Big hand claps for this!
Thank you.
Also they were offered $2.5 million for their “airtime” on someone’s air that wasn’t even theirs. Your championing for the state to silence Americans instead of having to answer to tough scrutiny is baffling.
@david roberts it does rather look like you are promoting a conspiratorial theory without any evidence to back it up. Lets talk and see if we can get to the root of the issue. I'm prepared to offer you the same "airtime" that you offer me.
How about we start with dispensing with the incendiary lingo? A "conspiracy theory" is usually just a hypothesis. How about we start acknowledging that? For example, the "lab leak conspiracy theory" was actually just a hypothesis that has since met the burden of proof (as much as can be possible).
Yes to conspiracy theories, even when they are wrong. Precisely because it pisses of the US clandestine State when they don’t respect civilian boundaries. Precisely because globalists and neoliberal left allies are proven to want to control and decide what’s ‘true’. We did that already through COVID. Those people can’t preserve continuity of what’s “true” for 3 days much less in absolutes.
Please offer evidence that supports why your idea should be adopted.
Hard to tell who you are referring to.
You can collapse threads by clicking on the line and tell to whom she is responding. She was the original comment to David Roberts. She gave little context since there were no other replies at the time she posted.
Thanks.
Yes, the longer the thread becomes, the harder it gets to identify who/what is being commented on. Perhaps I/we should begin every comment with identification or context.
Talk is cheap. Most words are lies.
How about leading by example? Show them how it's done!
You've written about meat diets, and falsely attributed the consumption of certain oils to a vegan diet. I tried to challenge those assumptions personally with you, Josh, and you didn't want to hear it. You refused to even speak with me, let alone debate.
I don't want to debate with you. I do wish you were less closed-minded though. Maybe have a conversation with people who disagree with you every once in a while.
But this entire post is performative. You don't ever invite disagreement, you dismiss it.
That's why people need to stop talking and start doing.
When it comes to food, we have COUNTLESS studies and real life examples from all over the world.
I've been banned or had my comments deleted at sites across the political spectrum -- nobody wants to see the truth when it doesn't support their views 100%.
WOW. absolutely: I am really fascinated to hear him speak. HE WAS THERE WITNESSING GOVT corruption even though young.. and his father and Uncle the cover up of JFK's death (JFK) is still one of the biggest conspiracies in the United States. I posted him in one of my first post's on Substack w/ my anti Mask article. Listening to him speak is really satisfying for me: the last of the real Democrats who used to exist in my father's time who still loved America and our Constitution. I have always been a Conservative since I was young .. BECAUSE OF JFK's assassination, my father's family long time democrats, which my own father said told me was all a pile of hot shit (his word's Army vet). Yep and he did say that he just got CENSORED at a an Anti Censorship "congressional" meeting, the irony is that the so called representative Stacy Platchett, who the hell does she think she is? from the Virgin Islands (wtfudge?) is a non voting member .. what is with that..? and SHE is OVER RIDING RFJ jr? The lack of self awareness and unmitigated gall is just unreal. BTW, I had to SIGN IN AGAIN on SUBSTACK.. I have to redo my computer again something happened when I cleaned the cache and apparently I also lost my twitter access. TAKE Care.. Isabell KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
I was not aware that our society had collapsed.