Decentralizing the system, decentralizes the corruption. By decentralizing the corruption infinitely more resources can be brought to bear, in parallel, on dismantling the corruption.
We agree with all of this except one thing: how do you get article 5 to be enacted? We need people in place to make that happen. Our system is too corrupted to ever get to article 5 unless we change something that plugs in first.
In other words how do we get from here to there with all the corruption in the way? We need better tools.
Article 5 requires 34 states to pass a resolution calling for the Convention. At the current time this has already happened in 19 states. Legislation to pass the resolution is active in 6 states. So good progress is being made.
Corruption comes in degrees. I agree that the most corrupt will oppose, but it only takes 38 states to ratify the Constitution's amendment changes. California and Massachusetts may be hopeless, but we don't need them for this change.
I am not arguing this is the only way to bring about change. It is just the most promising initiative I have seen.
Corruption is like a virus, as it replicates the immune response builds.
In other words, on your website there is still a button to hit that says “call or email your representative” but if that relationship is corrupted how can it be circumvented. Ballot initiatives?
Since I'm neither a lawyer or a constitution expert I do not know whether a ballot initiative is an alternative to a state's legislature passing the Convention of States resolution. It's an interesting question. I would speculate this question must be answered on a per state basis.
We have a group of us on weGov all working on self governing tools (we didn’t announce this yet). One of the tools is for specifically ballot initiatives and we have an expert on that panel
Even if the "relationship is corrupted," how would it hurt to call and/or email that representative? It like saying hello to someone you don't really like. Unless they know without a doubt that you don't like them, they may have a neutral opinion of you. Say hello, in a nice way often enough times and their appraisal of you may become positive. At some point you should be able to approach them in a nice open way and talk to them. They might listen to what you have to say. Enough people do that and we may be able to sway them to our side.
It's kinda like what you want people to do, work with people they don't like towards a higher good.
I'm very worried about this. This appears to be a liberal fifth column operation. For example here is the redrafted second amendment these gentlemen are proposing to introduce:
"Neither the States nor the United States shall make or enforce any law infringing the right to keep and bear arms of the sort ordinarily used for self-defense and recreational purposes, provided that States and the United States in places subject to its general regulatory authority, may enact and enforce reasonable regulations on the bearing of arms, and the keeping of arms by persons determined, with due process, to be dangerous to themselves or others."
Horace, your concerns look well justified. Thanks for the links which firmly support a big red flag over the corruption taking place in the Convention of States initiative. It is a battle ground where the philosophical war between the common good versus the rights of the individual come into focus. If the proponents who hold the rights of the individual superior cannot maintain control of the process the initiative deserves to die.
I look forward to getting to know you better via your substack.
I concur with all of your points and ideas, however to be the rational contrarian in the room I will offer this observation; This is too complicated and the people involved are too corrupted to change.
The option is for those of is in the middle to change "the system". But again too many are addicted to systemic perks, cheap consumerism, and social media amplification.
Consider the move to boycott the so called woke corporations. Take a current event, the NFL super bowl, woke commercial consumerism at its apex. How many scream about the corruption of the sport, the insane money being thrown around, the disastrous ideologies embraced by the league, their corporate sponsors, their government endorsed tax dodges, their exploitation of players, host city governments and not to mention the price of a ticket...., and yet how many will still sit their fat bellies in front of a chinese made telescreen, consume vast quantities of garbage food that shortens their life as they laugh and cry away their principles this Sunday?
It's hard to get the weeds choking out the valuable crop to just die out on their own. And getting them to die for the sake of things not yet planted is even harder.
May we make a suggestion? Check out the Book The Starfish and The Spider. Decentralization movements do not need to take decades. They can happen fast, especially if we unify our problem solving skills.
1/3 of the people in the world are anarchists who will lie, cheat, steal, kidnap, rape and kill if not for laws against it. The rich anarchists wear suits, live in mansions, travel in yachts and private jets while the poor anarchists live under bridges in tents. Tyranny is their liberty. Evil hides behind lies.
People who believe lies are fools because they have been fooled by charlatans.
Jesus said, "The truth will set you free." I believe him.
Where are you getting this statistic from? 2% of any population is psychopathic, narcissistic, Machiavellian, or sadistic. Outside of that, it is the systems who nourish or degrade the rest.
The Rothschild family and King Charles III, and all the king’s men fit in that 2% description. “Terra Carta” Lloyds of London - WeatherModification.info
The 2% know that 1/3 of the people will do their bidding for money. Politicians will do their bidding, the military will fall in line for money, judges are bought, .Edu will create peer reviewed papers to support their agenda for tenure and pension, their media & entertainment programs tells the narrative, 97% of the people believe the propaganda “Moon Hoax 1835”, “North and South both fight each other for freedom”, “War of the Worlds” “War Is A Racket” “False Flags for Wars” “NASA” and narratives always finding an enemy to fight to create the economy.
To Wall Street,
“The few who understand the system,” he says, “will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages that Capital derives from the system, will bear its burden without compliant, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests… “
All systems. The farmers are absolutely a system. The entire food supply is. But they don’t need to sell cash crops, they are coerced into via corruption
Corruption follows diversity like a shadow. Diversity inevitably casts a shadow of corruption as each group works for its own interests against the interests of the nation. No one cares about the whole, only about their particular benefit. No change to rules will fix the harms of diversity.
The only societies with a chance of defeating corruption are strongly unified by a common culture. The melting pot was not just a good idea, it was the very life of America.
Rome was successful in its early days when all the Romans had the same culture and were all related to one another. When Rome became a large empire composed of diverse groups, corruption flourished and ultimately destroyed it.
>The problem is the people corrupting our systems.
The best way to tackle a people problem is to retool the operating structure underneath the corruption.
The operating structure needs to be decentralized.
The best initiative underway to decentralize our corrupt Federal government is leveraging Article 5 of the Constitution.
This initiative is underway and making progress as the Convention of States
https://conventionofstates.com/
Decentralizing the system, decentralizes the corruption. By decentralizing the corruption infinitely more resources can be brought to bear, in parallel, on dismantling the corruption.
We agree with all of this except one thing: how do you get article 5 to be enacted? We need people in place to make that happen. Our system is too corrupted to ever get to article 5 unless we change something that plugs in first.
In other words how do we get from here to there with all the corruption in the way? We need better tools.
Article 5 requires 34 states to pass a resolution calling for the Convention. At the current time this has already happened in 19 states. Legislation to pass the resolution is active in 6 states. So good progress is being made.
Corruption comes in degrees. I agree that the most corrupt will oppose, but it only takes 38 states to ratify the Constitution's amendment changes. California and Massachusetts may be hopeless, but we don't need them for this change.
I am not arguing this is the only way to bring about change. It is just the most promising initiative I have seen.
Corruption is like a virus, as it replicates the immune response builds.
In other words, on your website there is still a button to hit that says “call or email your representative” but if that relationship is corrupted how can it be circumvented. Ballot initiatives?
Since I'm neither a lawyer or a constitution expert I do not know whether a ballot initiative is an alternative to a state's legislature passing the Convention of States resolution. It's an interesting question. I would speculate this question must be answered on a per state basis.
We have a group of us on weGov all working on self governing tools (we didn’t announce this yet). One of the tools is for specifically ballot initiatives and we have an expert on that panel
Even if the "relationship is corrupted," how would it hurt to call and/or email that representative? It like saying hello to someone you don't really like. Unless they know without a doubt that you don't like them, they may have a neutral opinion of you. Say hello, in a nice way often enough times and their appraisal of you may become positive. At some point you should be able to approach them in a nice open way and talk to them. They might listen to what you have to say. Enough people do that and we may be able to sway them to our side.
It's kinda like what you want people to do, work with people they don't like towards a higher good.
I'm very worried about this. This appears to be a liberal fifth column operation. For example here is the redrafted second amendment these gentlemen are proposing to introduce:
"Neither the States nor the United States shall make or enforce any law infringing the right to keep and bear arms of the sort ordinarily used for self-defense and recreational purposes, provided that States and the United States in places subject to its general regulatory authority, may enact and enforce reasonable regulations on the bearing of arms, and the keeping of arms by persons determined, with due process, to be dangerous to themselves or others."
See here for more info: https://thenewamerican.com/convention-of-states-board-member-co-authored-anti-2a-conservative-constitution/
Wyoming turned it down thank heaven: https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/02/28/convention-of-the-states-bill-killed-in-monday-night-massacre-fear-of-losing-2nd-amendment-rights-cited/
Horace, your concerns look well justified. Thanks for the links which firmly support a big red flag over the corruption taking place in the Convention of States initiative. It is a battle ground where the philosophical war between the common good versus the rights of the individual come into focus. If the proponents who hold the rights of the individual superior cannot maintain control of the process the initiative deserves to die.
I look forward to getting to know you better via your substack.
Makes enormous sense...did you see El gato malo's suggestion? All data has to be transparent and posted...
I concur with all of your points and ideas, however to be the rational contrarian in the room I will offer this observation; This is too complicated and the people involved are too corrupted to change.
The option is for those of is in the middle to change "the system". But again too many are addicted to systemic perks, cheap consumerism, and social media amplification.
Consider the move to boycott the so called woke corporations. Take a current event, the NFL super bowl, woke commercial consumerism at its apex. How many scream about the corruption of the sport, the insane money being thrown around, the disastrous ideologies embraced by the league, their corporate sponsors, their government endorsed tax dodges, their exploitation of players, host city governments and not to mention the price of a ticket...., and yet how many will still sit their fat bellies in front of a chinese made telescreen, consume vast quantities of garbage food that shortens their life as they laugh and cry away their principles this Sunday?
It's hard to get the weeds choking out the valuable crop to just die out on their own. And getting them to die for the sake of things not yet planted is even harder.
Change will come, but it will take generations.
May we make a suggestion? Check out the Book The Starfish and The Spider. Decentralization movements do not need to take decades. They can happen fast, especially if we unify our problem solving skills.
I will.
Well we have to start with the farmers if we are going to have enough people left to see it through😳
1/3 of the people in the world are anarchists who will lie, cheat, steal, kidnap, rape and kill if not for laws against it. The rich anarchists wear suits, live in mansions, travel in yachts and private jets while the poor anarchists live under bridges in tents. Tyranny is their liberty. Evil hides behind lies.
People who believe lies are fools because they have been fooled by charlatans.
Jesus said, "The truth will set you free." I believe him.
https://sovren.media/c/ron-paul-revolution/235537/5e025eb501ead9fe8c3f3aeb068b5516
Where are you getting this statistic from? 2% of any population is psychopathic, narcissistic, Machiavellian, or sadistic. Outside of that, it is the systems who nourish or degrade the rest.
The anarchical and revolutionary character of a Democratic party
Entered according to Act of Congress, in the year 1891, by Jonathan Norcross in the office of the Librarian of Congress, at Washington
by Norcross, Jonathan. [from old catalog]
Publication date 1891
Topics Democratic Party (U.S.)
Publisher Atlanta, Ga., J. P. Harrison & co., printers
Collection library_of_congress; americana
Digitizing sponsor Kahle/Austin Foundation
Contributor The Library of Congress
Language English
https://archive.org/details/anarchicalrevolu00norc/page/n5/mode/2up
The Rothschild family and King Charles III, and all the king’s men fit in that 2% description. “Terra Carta” Lloyds of London - WeatherModification.info
The 2% know that 1/3 of the people will do their bidding for money. Politicians will do their bidding, the military will fall in line for money, judges are bought, .Edu will create peer reviewed papers to support their agenda for tenure and pension, their media & entertainment programs tells the narrative, 97% of the people believe the propaganda “Moon Hoax 1835”, “North and South both fight each other for freedom”, “War of the Worlds” “War Is A Racket” “False Flags for Wars” “NASA” and narratives always finding an enemy to fight to create the economy.
To Wall Street,
“The few who understand the system,” he says, “will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages that Capital derives from the system, will bear its burden without compliant, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests… “
Your respectful servants,
Rothschild Brothers - 1863
Is farmers getting rich from poisonous “cash crops” the corruption you speak of,......because that’s what’s happening.
All systems. The farmers are absolutely a system. The entire food supply is. But they don’t need to sell cash crops, they are coerced into via corruption
Corruption follows diversity like a shadow. Diversity inevitably casts a shadow of corruption as each group works for its own interests against the interests of the nation. No one cares about the whole, only about their particular benefit. No change to rules will fix the harms of diversity.
The only societies with a chance of defeating corruption are strongly unified by a common culture. The melting pot was not just a good idea, it was the very life of America.
Rome was successful in its early days when all the Romans had the same culture and were all related to one another. When Rome became a large empire composed of diverse groups, corruption flourished and ultimately destroyed it.